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Sith1s Spectre
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:01:00 -
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Orange Aideron wrote:+1
Shake the Ant Farm!
I think we'll adapt. Here's why:
WH's are hard. That's why we conquered them. They challenged us, so we made them work for us.
Do these changes have an effect on WH life? of course they do. Will there be a mass exodus from WHs because of the changes? I doubt it. Just as before, we will figure out new ways to roll, and will probably figure out new ways to counter roll.
In fact the only thing I see most effected is solo expo and small cap expo fleets. And that has been an op ISK making venture in the game for a long time (we'd all admit that).
I say bring it on the changes. We will adapt. QFT
I'm going to go against what most people are saying and say these changes are good.
All it will do is add more risk to closing connections (and an extra minute tops to closing holes) and affect all the small farming holes that we all have (come on, own up to it. Almost every big group many people with alt farming holes)
Also, the people in the lower down holes should be pushing for these changes to go through because if it reduces the amount of farming holes - it can only be a good thing for your nanoribbon prices and gas prices. AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:38:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Also, the people in the lower down holes should be pushing for these changes to go through because if it reduces the amount of farming holes - it can only be a good thing for your nanoribbon prices and gas prices. come on man, the large groups dont give 2 fks about the extra risk because they can protect their rolling fleets. it actually has the exact opposite result to what youre saying; it screws the small corps, who can't protect their rollers, and hugely benefits the large corps who can. saying this will have any effect on nano prices is extremely naive. It won't. PS: If you dont believe me, go back and look at who is happy about this change. The vast majority are people who spend their WH lives in large C5/6 'elite pvp' groups.
Sorry, but I don't agree.
I cannot think of a single time in the last 2 years that these changes would have made a difference when rolling holes apart from being a minor inconvenience.
The reality is if you're warping a cap to a hole where another group is already camping it and set up it's going to die anyway, AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.08 04:59:00 -
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MicroNova wrote: One idea that would satisfy all of the stated goals could be a deployable module that facilitates collapsing wormholes.
No - WH space doesn't need more risk free closing of wormholes. You want to close the thing - commit your ships AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.08 05:39:00 -
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MicroNova wrote: Have you got a better idea?
Put webs on the battleship/s that you use in addition to your capital ship - web the cap off and have it warp back to the hole @ 0?
Doesn't seem that hard tbh AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:09:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Mithandra wrote:This will certainly increase the risk and promote both consensual and non-consensual PvP
Rolling holes will be more difficult, time consuming and dangerous. So? Adapt
It will certainly change most corps and individuals gameplay style. So? Adapt
Its a WH. We were not meant to be here in the first place, but here we are. Still; after all these years.
We learn, test, adapt and develop.
We are Wormholers not cossetted Nullbears. We are meant to be alert not complacent
I do agree that this will probably benefit the larger corporations as opposed to the mom and pop one stop shops we see sprouting up all the time. So? It's EvE , not the women's institute. Adapt.
Thirty odd pages of comments. Some well worded and thought out, some actually brilliant, some just teen angst and bile.
I predict a few weeks of rage rolling mayhem, destruction and forum warfare, then things will settle down. New doctrine will emerge, people will leave, more people will arrive. The wormholes will still be our homes.
I'm not happy with the change as it is, but meh, I'll adapt.
You agruments are not valid. This Will not promote pvp and Will only empty W-space even more. You did not read this thread. No more cap fights, no more small to medium corps only empty wasteland. No one Will be joining only leaving because of this.
See you're right about alot of people leaving WH space (and already have) but it's not because of the changes or the proposed changes.
It's because it's the same old stagnant horseshit, risk free farming and closing any holes instantly that present a risk. AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.10 06:45:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Dread Nanana wrote:1. Takes a minute to warp off a bit and back to the hole. Unless you jump into a tarp, you are safe. 2. see #1 3. yes, jumping through a WH should not be risk-free experience just because you sit in a dread and want to deny someone else a fight. 4. You must be kidding. With 5-min siege timer, it is almost safe to siege a POS with dreads for 1 cycle and jump out, provided you have some scouts and no one knows your plans. If you are trying to guess that jumping into some empty 0.0 system, or random low sec will get supers dropped on you, you are crazy. Unless you want to roll a hole in Amamake or VFK or someplace like that, you are quite safe. As evidence, if what you said was remotely true, L3gs would not have lost his titan. https://zkillboard.com/kill/40580154/Why didn't someone save him??.. oh right, it takes longer than 1-2 min to actually form any sort of a fleet. Unless your argument is "goons/PL/N3 sit 24/7 online on their multi-boxed SC+archon swarms ready to jump on the poor WHers". Please. I specifically replied because of this fail, fail, fail point. 5. see #1 You are quite the blue donut troll. You don't even have agruments to counter that post. 1) it won't take just a minute and you know it. How about add a 5 minute spool up to capitals to jump to a cyno? That would improve the risk to jump capitals and will be as much fun a this change. 2)you didn't even try to counter that one. 3)you clearly have no idea of the current risk 4)when engaging blue donuters on a hole in blue donut space you will be absolutly certain that they will come prepared and will drop a super onto your caps. They usualy won't even warp to the hole. And we don't have 200 supers standing by to counter that, jumping more caps in would only get us killed even more and cut of our escape route. But then again i don't expect you to know wormhole mechanics. 5)you didn't even try to counter that one.
I find it ironic someone in c6 space talking about blue donuts when you all have non invasion pacts AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:55:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Alright ladies and gents, get your tinfoil hats ready coz this one is a pretty good one. Pure unadulterated tinfoil hattery and Grrr Goons with a solid amount of conspiracy, you have been warned. (Conspiracy theory stuff is fun, you don't have to believe in it to make a convincing case. Also bored.) **This assumes a great deal of competency and is the primary reason why I don't necessarily believe any of this. I'm a fan of the saying; 'don't attribute to malice that witch can be attributed to incompetence'. Now I've heard people say that CCP Fozzie has a hard on for mitani and that the Goons want to take over/ruin eve. I don't normally put much stock in that but lets look at the last batch of Wormhole specific targeted changes and events that have taken place with this in mind. - Discovery scanner. I'm kinda on the fence regarding if this was planned or not or if it was just a knock on effect but the general consensus was that it did make farming safer. Lets call this one inconclusive. - Grav site removal. Pretty much killed WH Mining for the most part. NS mining is better anyways, everyone knows that, yey infinate minerals and local! - Soon after these changes the whole Goons in WH space thing happened and they got kicked out, yey us! - The API stats removal. This was a pretty big one and with a single simple change the biggest baddest and arguably most dangerous WH corp decided to leave WH space. Kings of log off traps and no slouches with rage rolling it'd be hard to find any C5-6 corp that hasn't lost at least one farming fleet, or system for that matter, to these nutters. I know we did. - Increased WHs from Null and LS. As a nullie I've been part of at least one attempt at killing a hole rolling fleet (Got foiled by a DC of our inside scout) and we've killed plenty of wormholers just from the WHs spawning in our own and allied systems. - Effectively un-collapsible frig holes going to, you guessed it, null. A 50 man AF fleet will easily kill a farming fleet and Goons sure do love their Harpy fleets. They will also decimate lower class fleets, both PvP and PvE. Also Wolf Holes. - Second static in C4s. Now we don't know what they are yet but if a decent amount of them go to Null then this will seal the fate of any C4 farmers that manage to escape the frig holes. Easy as pie to get a big BS fleet in there and then just titan bridge additional BS/Ishtars to the static once hole control has been established to evict farmers. Lets call this one inconclusive till we know what statics there will be. (Fozzie did say there would be a pattern to it) - The big one, the Mass distance rolling. Any big or small corps still managing to live in WH space after all the above ways for Null (any not just Goons) to kill them up will leave WH space from pure frustration as more and more smaller corps (Plankton I believe were Mitani's words) leave and rage rolling for PvP or borderline safe PvE becomes impossible. So what's the end result? A barely inhabited and very safe WH space perfect for seeding a couple dozen Goon farming corps and RMTing Mitani a nice big house and shiny new car. Ok so that last bit is over the top but I did warn you to bring your tinfoil, this one's a doozy  (I worked really hard on this, give me a Dinsdales out of 10 score pls)
Wow...
Who tied your shoe laces this morning? AU tz best tz
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Sith1s Spectre
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:08:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?
Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie.
The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:31:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? Keep the changes and stick to your guns Fozzie. The instant closing of the c5/6 holes has to stop. But what about anybody small? Orcas will be goner, content generation will be far slower and interaction will at some point nearly cease to exist due to empty WHs?
So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:19:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill.
Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.08.13 10:46:00 -
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Katerin Archer wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote: So do you think it is okay for a 5 to 10 toon corporation to live in that space and close anything threatening risk free if scouted correctly?
I think that every small group has an undisputed right to be efficient. If you disagree, please state a real reason.
Can you please show me where I said efficient in my post?
There's nothing wrong with people farming in small groups to min/max their income (and i do it myself).
The problem I have is with those same groups who have chosen to min/max their income (we're talking 5/6 space here) then being able to close any threat to their operations with minimum risk providing they're scouting correctly. Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:22:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill. Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space I dunno, I moved out of c5 wh space because its easier and safer to make isk in null and I get to shoot more goons and cvgays. my kb has never been this green and my wallet this full. hmmm aaah now I see, you were in sky fighters/talocan back in the day before I moved into c5 space. then you hopped from one wh corp to another... so why did you join razor? and it was recent too! what is your motivation for giving a **** about wh space as a nullseccer now? if you are in favor of this change why did you leave wh space. whats you angle here? ps it seems you did pretty well for youself looking at you kb. tell me why you think there wasnt enough pvp in wormhole space and why this change is needed to inflate your kb more. bahaha so wait on the 5th of august you guys killed a farming fleet, and want to tell me with a straight face that wh the bears are 100% safe? pahahahaha what a troll. gets evwn better. another farmer fleet kill in july, june, the ones in may look like pvp stuff, theres another one in feb...
Sure, if you classify being in Sky Fighters for 2 years as corp hopping and then pretty much continuing on from there with the same group of guys, then sure I guess. Please feel free to continue to show us how much you know about WH space.
It's no secret that there is barely any pvp within WH space these days in the higher end holes which is why all the larger groups resort to roaming null to find their daily dose of PvP. It's not like these changes will do anything to impact on that other than a minor inconvenience of having to web the cap off and back to the hole.
To address your other point. Smart bears are currently almost 100% safe. The ones I ganked left their static open...
But hey if you want to pull the KB epeen measuring stick to start validating points, should we start using yours as the measuring stick? Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:52:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: joined ragnaroc.
lol, you don't need to say anything else now :) Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:53:00 -
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Chev Alsar wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote: It's no secret that there is barely any pvp within WH space these days
Where exactly is your proof that there is less PVP than previously? Where is your proof that this proposed change will increase the amount of PVP*? Where is your proof that most PVP happens due to statics being left open? *Keep in mind you cannot PVP people in Wormholes that no longer play in Wormhole space.
Do me a favor and look up the top killers in WH space on eve kill and tell me where they get the bulk of their kills.
I'd be very surprised if you said WH space.
In regards to proof. No where have i said that this would increase the amount of PvP nor that most PvP happens because of statics left open. I have simply said that currently it is too easy to close threatening holes that allow caps through them Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:06:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:guys ccp will push this crap out anyway, regardless of what we say here.
all WH corps should unsub in mass.
lets see if they will respond to losing thousands of $ a month.
they will probably just raise plex and sub prices again, forcing the idiots who stayed behind to pay more. but its better then living with the **** the game is turning into.. WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each? as a nullsec character I can make 800mill a night if I tried. difference with whs is I can do that every night, wormholers can only keep it up for 4 nights and its dependant on site respawns and number of people in the hole. nullsec is why plex is 800mill. Oh! That must be the reason you see all the 5-10 man farming corps with nullsec ties in 5/6 space I dunno, I moved out of c5 wh space because its easier and safer to make isk in null and I get to shoot more goons and cvgays. my kb has never been this green and my wallet this full. hmmm aaah now I see, you were in sky fighters/talocan back in the day before I moved into c5 space. then you hopped from one wh corp to another... so why did you join razor? and it was recent too! what is your motivation for giving a **** about wh space as a nullseccer now? if you are in favor of this change why did you leave wh space. whats you angle here? ps it seems you did pretty well for youself looking at you kb. tell me why you think there wasnt enough pvp in wormhole space and why this change is needed to inflate your kb more. bahaha so wait on the 5th of august you guys killed a farming fleet, and want to tell me with a straight face that wh the bears are 100% safe? pahahahaha what a troll. gets evwn better. another farmer fleet kill in july, june, the ones in may look like pvp stuff, theres another one in feb...
Sure, guess I have to spell everything out for you.
1 - I have been within WH space for the last 3 years. 2 years of that was running Sky Fighters (and then Rolled Out after that which was the majority of Sky Fighters which you would know if you were actually involved within the community) During that time I have flown with (or against) the majority of the other major WH groups from c6 space to c2 space
2 - Things closed down and I hopped around because things have become boring as there are/were litterally only 3-4 other groups who could/would actually fight us/the corps I was on. The rest would just roll away (which other diplos in WH Overlords and then Rainbow Nights could verify from me bitching about it)
3 - Which brings me to where I am now. Most of the larger WH PvP groups now roam null for their main staple of PvP on a day to day basis.
With the new changes and added Null to Null and Null to Lowsec holes spawning in increased number it makes sense for me/Rolled Out to be now based in Null and just cut the whole POS life/scanning the whole damn chain and just go to step 3 of what was a daily activity for us (which was roaming nullsec for pews)
I am/Rolled Out is and always will be still very involved within (and roaming) WH space. We just wont/don't see the need to base our operations from a WH now.
4 - I am still of the opinion that currently if people farming are on the ball they are very much safe. As with the instant sig on the overview now (not like how it use to be where you had to have probes out all the time and refreshing to pick up new signatures) they generally have ample time to finish their siege/triage cycle and get out of the site (unless they're pointed) in addition to easily closing any threatening connections with minimum risk (with proper scouting)
In closing I don't care if people disagree with me, it's my opinion and i'm entitled to it. However I've been round WH space long enough and flown with most groups often enough to be entitled to my opinion even if you don't agree with it.
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:08:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Your logic is flawed.. Why do you assume there will be less rage rolling? do you actually believe the crap you put out on these forums or are you just trolling at this point? I wouldn't say it if it didn't believe it. You alway disagree without making a point or having a strong argument. Instead of your dump one line responses, how about you engage your brain and post something that has a basis in reality? If you can't do that stfu and stop reading my posts. Prove me wrong Jack, i double dare you.
To be fair Jack and I have had many heated discussions (in a channel we both hang out in to keep in touch) and he has presented several strong points (of which we can never agree on anything really).
I guess from his point of view (and he'll correct me if i'm wrong) he's worried these changes will empty out WH space even more than the current wasteland in the higher end holes. You only need to look at how empty c6 space is and has never really recovered after the mass evictions from 2 years ago Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 04:01:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. I want to thank you for all the reasoned feedback posted here, in your third party blogs, and passed along to the CSM. We've made some changes to the plan and updated the dev blog with the new version (It may take a few minutes to apply). The goal with this set of tweaks is to make the time required to return to the wormhole (or to get within refit range of your friends) for average jumps shorter, while keeping a significant element of risk. To reach these goals, we're pulling the base spawn distance for large ships in significantly, to below 14km. At the same time we'll be adding a new mechanic that modulates the randomness of your jump based on how close a wormhole is to collapse. For a fresh wormhole with none of its mass limit used, the deviation from the base distance will be a maximum of 2km. For a jump that collapses the wormhole, the maximum deviation (which can send you even closer to the wormhole or farther away) will be a maximum of 5km. This brings the average jump distance down significantly while preventing complete safety and giving players a new element to consider in their strategic decision making. Good changes Fozzie. Stick to your guns
Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1171
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:06:00 -
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Whelp - the changes went through as predicted.
For those of you who are leaving WH space I figured I may aswell let you know you're more than welcome to look us up in Tri - we're WHers in Nullsec.
Man Chitsa would be proud. Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1181
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:45:00 -
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Enthropic wrote:but I will bite.
the point is, nobody will jump their moros through for you to catch it. They will instead choose not to roll and log.
This killmail would beg to differ
https://zkillboard.com/kill/40912932/ Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1181
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:46:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:CivilWars wrote: The benefit is when they jump that Moros in, and it lands 12km from the hole, I now have the time needed to finish scanning the hole, warp something to the hole and bump the Moros. Now do you fight, or sacrifice your dread? I am guessing your likely response will be "neither because they are too risk averse to jump the Moros to begin with", and my reply would be I had no chance of catching the Moros with the old mechanics, so what exactly have I lost with the new mechanics? I had no chance to get a fight or gank pre-Hyperion, and have no chance to get a fight or gank post-Hyperion, so nothing lost or gained.
Have you not been paying attention, like at ALL to what people have been saying? There wont BE A MOROS. Everything after that is a fantasy, concocted in your fantasy world where people will jump in a cap into an active hole under the new system. That's the whole point of the new system, no one is going to be pants on head ******** enough to knowingly put a capital 15km off the hole in AN ACTIVE WORMHOLE. and if they are then theres going to be 30+ T3s behind it. What, exactly, are you smoking, because thats some extremely strong stuff and I would recommend you stop before whats left of your brain rots away.
People who want to live in WH space and want the easier way to reduce mass on holes will adapt.
We've already seen it and have the KM to prove it. Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:07:00 -
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scotayne hawkins wrote:. next hole connection was noho. 35 guys logged off
Sounds like TLC hasn't changed 1 bit then Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1183
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:23:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote: and most of those have said they hate it and are/have left wh space. its like you havent even read this thread at all. this must be how ccp has been looking at our feedback.
Could you please list the groups who have left WH space to date purely because of these changes.
At this stage it's still business as usual as far as I have seen, if anything it has INCREASED the amount of traffic and ships moving around as of late. Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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